Sunday, October 26, 2008

The Implied Spider

I would like to address the question of the value of comparative work and whether Doniger convinces me of its value.

I would answer “yes” and “no”. On the one hand I think that comparative work does have value in the study of myths, however I do not agree that this is inherent or that it is the only way that myths ought to be studied. I would like to first examine Wendy Doniger’s definition of Myth and then discuss the history of comparison as a method and the problems associated with the method.

The Definition
As soon as I opened up this book I wondered how Doniger was going to define Myth. I have done some studies in the past on myth and in my experience it is always a difficult term to describe. It is first important to clarify the term “myth” which carries a certain connotation in popular culture (for example: “myth busters”) and secondly to differentiate myths from folklores, legends and similar literary genres.
Based on her introduction she has defined myth as:
- Not a lie or false statement
- A story that raises religious questions
- Sacred and shared
- Something that can be analyzed both narrowly and broadly
- Expresses cross-cultural experiences
- Being comparable between cultures

She acknowledges that the history of the term “myth” makes it a difficult word to define and study but nonetheless believes that the comparative approach is the best method to understand myths. While I agree with a cross-cultural examination, it is also important to look at a text within itself and within the particular context in which it was written (or spoken) and the context in which it was received. I think that by simply comparing a myth based on shared or different elements can be problematic. In theory I think it works, but in reality I think that it can be very subjective. I will explain further. When one does a comparative approach they look at similar and different elements between the two things being compared, however the criteria that is noticed can be biased and could give the impression that these myths were of a similar origin or could be different variations of the same story. Here again I believe we can run into the problem of classification and the dangers of categorizing, which we have discussed in previous classes.

A New Comparative Approach
In chapter 2 of Wendy Doniger’s book The Implied Spider she argues that “myth is an inherently comparative genre”. She advocates the idea that comparison is not only a useful method of studying myths but as one of the most basic ways we come to understand our world it is the most useful way to understand myths. I liked how Doniger used both a vertical analysis and a horizontal analysis of myth. Not only can myths be understood vertically (earthly & divine) but can also be understood in their relation with other myths (cross-cultural). It is useful to understand the dynamics of myths and that they can be understood in different ways and on different levels.

There are three different problems that Doniger mentions about the comparative approach, they lack rigor, they advance unfalsifiable universalist hypotheses and that they are politically unhealthy (64). These are the reasons why she writes that the universalist comparative studies have largely been abandoned in postmodern studies. I would like to respond to her first point as it struck me when I read it. In her response to the lack of rigor she presents a new model for comparison, one which insists upon a comparatist having the necessary background knowledge of the primary language and an awareness of the necessary context. I think that she is being too idealistic in her response to this model. While in theory this would be ideal, in practice who would be able to regulate this? While I agree that it is important to know the context of the particular myth or myths which are being studied, the context of many myths are highly debatable.

In Conclusion:
I personally agree with Doniger that the comparative approach is a useful method for the modern study of myths. However, I am hesitant to disregard the opposite approach. By focusing on a particular culture within a particular context one can understand the value of certain beliefs and ideas about the world, ideas which may not be as central to another culture who has their own myth. I think that the most important approach when looking at myths is to try to understand their reception rather than their origin. If a cross cultural comparative approach helps to understand this better then I would say that this would be the best method to undertake.

4 comments:

Mike Jones said...

Hey Nat,
I came away with a similar opinion on the usefulness of the comparative method, a sort of “if it helps you, do it” approach. I believe that a myth tells us far more about a particular culture than any sort of universal human experience, but if you are looking for generalities or ‘themes’ of being human, than myths are a great place to start.
Doniger’s ‘new model’ to add a sense of rigor to comparative work was interesting, but something struck me as odd when I first read it. I think you hit it on the nose by describing it as being too idealistic, especially when looking at myths from the past. It would be nice if just knowing the language and having an idea of the context in which a myth originated guaranteed proper understand, but as we’ve discussed ad nauseam in class context is such a subjective thing and when you add a dead language to the mix it is near impossible to know if we have the meaning of a text right. I was happy she spoke out against universalism and has obviously tried to curtail it in her comparative work, but she makes some very general and universalistic assumptions about humanity sharing the same sort of experiences throughout time and space. We just have no idea if it is true or not, and hoping that it adds to our knowledge of the general human condition might be a bit dangerous.
I love any blog that gives me the chance to rant a bit Your analysis was great

Ada Chidichimo Jeffrey said...

Hey Nat,
I agree that a simply comparative approach can be problematic. One thing that I was wondering was how does one understand how important the individual elements are in a given myth? You were mentioning a biased criteria,and along those same lines, what does one compare between myths, major themes, or symbolic elements? I think one could run into a problem if one understands one particular symbol as having the same currency in different cultures.
I think that context is a useful additional way to study myths. One could also use book history methods or linguisitic analysis to add to the study, interdisciplanarity does seem to be the better ways to study phenomona, rather than limiting oneself to only one approach.
see you wednesday!

unreuly said...

hey nat!

i love the way you break up your posts - it makes things very easy to understand and discuss!

i do agree with you that the comparative method has merit. i find problematic doniger's idea that one myth can be interpreted through the lens of another myth! one cannot super impose one's own understanding of a myth onto another culture's body of mythological work...rather, wouldn't it be more beneficial to take a myth for what it is or what it says it is?

Anonymous said...

Hi Nat,

In reading her second chapter, it seemed to me that Doniger tries to strike a balance between the empirical approach with one that she calls "artistic". In this sense I think she takes license to draw from myths which share mythemes, what she calls the basic units of a myth that a structuralist could identify. In doing so she tries to fill the gap left by empirical studies. To me it seems Doniger seek a middle ground- in chapter 6 she discusses the place of history in the comparative approach, arguing that her "bottom-up" method doesn't preclude a historical view.

Another thing that really resonated with me (and here, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent) was Doniger's point that structuralism doesn't account for the "how" and "why" of a narrative. Whether or not we choose to consider stories to be "versions" of the "same" myth, I think Doniger is suggesting we look at the ways in which cultures grapple with these mythemes to make them meaningful in different ways.

I don't necessarily agree that Doniger is suggesting the existence of a universal ethos underlying myths. She spends a fair bit of time defending comparative studies against the assumption of a singular experience- I'm not sure how well she fairs with this but I came away from her book with the feeling that Doniger is trying to get at the how the particulars of human experience, (she mentions love, desire, death as but some of these) shape narratives and in that way, work against the political dogmas which she argues are too often supported by the use of myth.

See you in class!